Laughing at Rue's Death: The Hunger Games Series Precap!

Ready your cannons, tributes: We're officially starting our countdown to the Sunrise on the Reaping film with a complete reread of The Hunger Games Seriesby Suzanne Collins. And what better way to start than to forget characters' names, discuss traumatic memories, and start a counter for every time someone says "Katna and Penis" instead of "Katniss and Peeta"?

Join Jess, Katy, Julia, and Producer Rob on a trip down SEVENTEEN YEARS of Hunger Games memories and expectations that sets our usual unhinged tone for the season to come! 

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Transcript

Jessica Mary 0:04

Welcome to Booked All Night, the podcast where hot takes me craft notes and no one gets enough sleep. I'm Jess.

K. Leigh 0:10

I'm Katie. I'm Julia. I'm Maggie. Get ready for unhinged hot takes.

Jessica Mary 0:15

A whole lot of books, midnight giggles, and zero shade. Grab your blankets, booklets, it's time to get booked all night. I said to bring your Hunger Games knowledge tonight, and then I was like trying to remember tribute names, and I was like, well, there was Katna and Penis. I mean PEETA, not Penis.

Julia 0:36

Oh yes, the one character named Penis.

K. Leigh 0:40

Already. Penis. Classic.

Jessica Mary 0:44

Oh, that's going up there with wet and I have a pulse. Just I can't talk. It's fine. But I could I could like not remember other tributes that were not Victors.

Julia 0:56

That's the only one I can remember.

Jessica Mary 0:58

Oh yeah. Cat face.

Julia 0:59

No, Foxface. Cat face or Foxface.

Jessica Mary 1:03

Yeah. See, at least your slipper is not genitalia.

K. Leigh 1:09

I do, but like I read the books like so long ago. Like I've read them. And I was just like.

Jessica Mary 1:14

I read them when they published, and I haven't touched them since.

K. Leigh 1:18

There's Kathos? Yes. This is Kathos. Yeah. Well, I read them a little after that. Kathos? Yeah. Catho.

Jessica Mary 1:25

Um.

K. Leigh 1:26

I just Kato I just remember the old see? Kato. It's Kato. And I just remember the old lady on piggybacking on that guy's back. That guy? Okay. No, not Rue. Rue's important. Yeah, definitely. Rue was the little girl. Yeah, the old lady? Yeah, I think I think I I want to say the tribute's name was Maggie. Yeah, Margaret. Yeah, the old lady on the back of who would like on the back of Mags. That's it.

Jessica Mary 1:55

That's that's why that's the real reason why Maggie's not here. Um they participated in the Patriot Games, which just got announced today on December 18th. Uh, and they're not athletic at all, so they just failed.

Producer Rob 2:10

I I do actually have a list of the named tributes from the 74th Hunger Games, if you guys do want to keep trying to guess at.

Julia 2:17

So that's book one.

Producer Rob 2:18

Uh, that is book one.

Julia 2:20

Well, if the math is correct, it should be a lot of them.

Producer Rob 2:23

There are ten named tributes in the first book. Um, so you guys have named at this point five of those tributes. Whoa!

Jessica Mary 2:37

Yeah, we're doing great.

Producer Rob 2:38

All right, so you have named PETA and Katniss from District 12, Rue from District 11, Foxface, who was from District 5, and Cato, who was from District 2.

Jessica Mary 2:49

In Sunrise on the Reaping, there was one that I thought was like Velveteen Rabbit.

Julia 2:53

I see, I okay. I never watched those movies or read those books.

Jessica Mary 2:58

So this is your first time to like Oh, you mean you didn't read Sunrise on the Reaping?

Julia 3:03

I've only read the first. And watch and watch the original three. Oh, I can't truly Yeah, same.

Jessica Mary 3:11

I can't wait to go on this trauma tic journey with the two of you.

K. Leigh 3:15

Yeah, so the Ballad of What was it, the Ballad of Birds and Snakes. Songbirds and Snakes. Yeah, I always get those two confused. I had that since the day it was first published and released for selling, and I know exactly where it's at. It's sitting on the couch in the Barnes and Noble bag. Like, I have not touched it.

Jessica Mary 3:39

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh. Was there a tribute named Thresh? Yes.

Producer Rob 3:44

From District 11.

Jessica Mary 3:47

Is that one in the movies?

Producer Rob 3:48

Uh he is in the movies, yes.

Julia 3:50

Oh, well.

Jessica Mary 3:51

Yeah, I don't think I remember it anymore.

Julia 3:52

There's the ones that file their teeth.

Jessica Mary 3:55

Oh, there's Joanna, yeah. She like files them into sharp.

Julia 3:58

No, isn't Joanna in the third movie?

Jessica Mary 4:01

Oh, wait, no, not Joanna.

Julia 4:02

Or book movie two?

K. Leigh 4:04

Yeah. Joanna's like one of the ones that gets naked in the elevator.

Jessica Mary 4:07

Oh, yeah, she's not the one. Love her.

Julia 4:10

Oh, the one that Okay, will you tell us the other ones?

Producer Rob 4:15

Yeah, tell us the other ones. From District 1, we had Marvel and Glimmer. Glimmer. Who were part of the big group at the Carnucopia. Uh, you guys got Kato from District 2. He was the uh he was the last one outside of Pita and Katniss to survive. Clove, also from District 2.

Jessica Mary 4:32

Isn't that Foxface? I do not remember Clove.

Producer Rob 4:34

There is Fila from District 3, Bravora from District 4. Um, and you got the rest. Foxface is not actually given a name, that's just what Katniss calls her, but she's from District 5. And in the first book, none of the other tributes are given names.

Julia 4:50

Interesting.

Jessica Mary 4:51

I can't believe we forgot Glimmer, because that's like a huge part because she's like presented in that like see-through dress.

Julia 4:59

Okay. I also have no idea. I don't know what you're talking about.

Jessica Mary 5:05

So that that's like one of the few things that I remember is that like the dress that Glimmer is presented in for like the tribute pageant.

Julia 5:12

Are you talking about in the books? Because I don't remember this part. Okay.

Jessica Mary 5:14

Yeah. Yeah, in the books. Katniss is like, you can see like everything, and like that's kind of the purpose, because you know, eventually she'll be if she wins, she would be like prostituted to the capital the way that Finnick was.

K. Leigh 5:27

Fun. Fun! I'm gonna be honest, a lot of my memories come from the movie versus the book. Yes, because I was very traumatized during the first movie, and it wasn't even from the movie itself. It's more of a funny story now.

Julia 5:45

Okay than like funny huh?

K. Leigh 5:48

Yeah. So what happened? Do you want to share? Or sure. My husband has to hear this every time we talk about the Hunger Games. So I really, really wanted to go to this movie, and I said, All I want for the holidays is for you to go to the midnight showing with me. And he's just like, fine. A few nights before, he got Bell's posy. So he was on a pack of steroids, and he was like on the first couple days of steroids, which are the highest doses for those who have never had to take a Z peg. Yes, you have to take like a large dose, like the first couple days, and then it weans you off of them. So he was roid raging, and of course, there was young kids, like it was kind of like Twilight, uh, and he was getting like real mad. And I was like, You're not looking like you're having like fun, like what's wrong? And he goes, I don't want to be here, I don't want to watch this movie, and I don't want to be with all these kids, and he made me cry. But then at one of the deaths, the whole movie theater is silent, completely silent, and I just hear him start laughing.

Julia 6:56

Is it Rue's death?

Jessica Mary 6:57

Was it Rue? Did he did he It was Rue?

K. Leigh 7:01

It was Rue's dad. And he's laughing this way. He's laughing, and he goes, I don't know why. It's just it's funny to me. Like,

Julia 7:11

We're shaming your husband.

Jessica Mary 7:13

We are we shame my husband on the podcast.

K. Leigh 7:15

We shame everybody's but that was just you know, that wasn't him because you know he was roiding it up legally because the doctors gave him the steroids.

Jessica Mary 7:25

I I just want to go on record uh for the 18,000 millionth time. I hate being on steroids because they do that to you.

Producer Rob 7:33

This is our obligatory reminder that this is actually about the hunger games.

Jessica Mary 7:37

Well, there were drugs in the in the Hunger Games because in the in the second game there was the Morphlings. So in a way, our discussion about drugs worked to remind me that there were drug-addicted tributes.

Producer Rob 7:52

Do we want to try and name some of the uh the tributes from this second one too? No.

Jessica Mary 7:58

No I think I could name more from the second one because there was BD and Wyrus, uh, Finnick and Mags, because we mentioned them earlier. Uh obviously uh Katniss and Pita. Jessica doing that. There was one named like Kashmir. I think there was one named like Chef or something like that. Um Chef.

K. Leigh 8:20

Now I'm thinking about Chef from South Park in the Hunger Games.

Jessica Mary 8:26

Just singing sexy socks, killing everybody. Uh there was another like bougie name.

Julia 8:33

What about the one that you just mentioned earlier?

Jessica Mary 8:36

Kashmir?

Julia 8:37

No. The one that gets naked in the underwear.

Jessica Mary 8:40

Oh Joanna. That's right. Joanna, yes, Joanna, right? Yeah. There's whoever filed her teeth down. Uh, but there is there is like another bougie name. It's like kind of like glimmer, but it's not shimmer.

Julia 8:58

No. Sparkle.

Producer Rob 9:00

Gloss. It is gloss.

Julia 9:02

Yeah. Gold star for you. I get a gold star. I get a gold star. And I can make I have a criteria. Did you guys see um that author? Do you guys know the author Allie Hazelwood? Did you guys see that thing that happened on Instagram with her in the Hunger Games?

K. Leigh 9:22

Yeah, where she said she was like Team Gail. Oh, yeah.

Julia 9:25

Yeah, so she made a post on Instagram, and I still find it like super interesting because I don't think she's wrong. So she made a post saying that she always liked Gail more than Peter. And they canceled her. And like, and well, people people got really upset at her, and then she chose to just get off Instagram. I don't think people necessarily canceled her. She just felt like she was being bullied, so then she just took herself off of social media because of that.

Jessica Mary 9:56

Because people because she was being bullied.

Julia 9:59

People left like nasty comments. So I'm sorry, maybe you should cut that out that I've said that because some people don't leave us nasty comments. I just, I don't know. I just find what a strong reaction to a fictional character.

Jessica Mary 10:16

That is something I'm eager to talk about. Not not specifically that situation, but the strong reactions that people had to these characters and like audience participation in general in terms of Hunger Games, because you can talk about it within the confines of the books, but also as the fandom, because like all the merchandise that came out, like we all had Hunger Games pins, we had like our favorite district jerseys, uh everybody started styling their hair with the braid.

K. Leigh 10:48

Like what were you gonna say, Katie? I was just gonna say, I think what happened is interesting. Uh, not the bullying and all that stuff, but the conversation that she brought up. That I kind of agree, like, I I do and I don't agree with Allie, right? Like, I think it's great that she has an opinion, and I agree that she has the right to to voice it, especially because it's a romantic triangle in a book, you know. Like, people are gonna have their opinions, but I also disagree because I'm team solo catness. I don't think she should be with either Gail or Pita. I think they're both terrible.

Jessica Mary 11:29

Uh and my yeah, I I think they're both terrible, but not necessarily like terrible people. I think Gail maybe maybe genuinely had feelings for her and wanted to be like chosen, but she and PETA trauma bonded, so like I don't I don't believe that that's a like active love or maybe even an active friendship because they bonded going through that. Had they not gone and been chosen for the Hunger Games together, they never would have had a relationship.

K. Leigh 11:59

I don't know because didn't PETA have feelings for her even prior to being picked for the games?

Jessica Mary 12:04

The only thing that PETA ever really did was throw a piece of bread at her. He like never talked to her or approached her, which is why she like accosts him in the underground. She's like, Why the fuck would you tell people you like me? He's like, because I do. She's like, shut the fuck up, you don't.

K. Leigh 12:20

I thought, but I thought they were like schoolmates.

Julia 12:22

Well, they went to school together. And that's about it.

K. Leigh 12:24

But they were so they knew each other from a distance. Right, but I'm not, but I'm saying, like, there was still a chance that they could have been friends later if if they weren't picked. You know what I'm saying? Like they could have they could have run into each other and interacted and became friends at some point. It's not out of the realm of possibilities because they're the same age, they went to the school together, they've had like an interaction or two outside of it. It's possible.

Jessica Mary 12:52

It's possible.

Julia 12:53

I agree with you though, with saying like team solo catnus. Like, I just remember reading the last book and her being like, I didn't want to have children, but PETA wanted to have children, so I gave that to them, and I always felt really gross about that.

K. Leigh 13:08

Weird. Wasn't that the last page of the first book?

Julia 13:12

No, that's a good one.

Jessica Mary 13:13

No, no, it's like the last page of the last book.

Julia 13:16

They do like a little like flash for or epilogue. Uh they yeah, they do a flash forward, and like, I didn't really want to have kids, but he wanted to have kids, and like, yeah, okay, if you're in a relationship with someone, you love them and you want to give that to them. I mean, I'm not in a relationship, so I can't really fucking talk. But she was always so adamant that she didn't want that, and then it really felt like she was kind of forced into that, and it was like I wish it had either been written differently so that she kind of was like, I grew to want this myself and not like I I'm this now, and I'm like, Oh just to like bounce off of that because her whole reason for not wanting children was she didn't want to bring them specifically into the world that she lived in.

Jessica Mary 14:04

She didn't want them to grow up and have to be reaped like she was, she didn't want them to like lose siblings like she did, uh, like other people did. She didn't want them to be in this very coarse, harsh, dystopian world. And so at the end, I think her having a kid is like, oh, well, you know, we've we've come across and and we've we've fixed what was wrong and now it's safe to do that. But I agree, I don't think on the page, or at least I don't remember it being written on the page as like her justifying to herself that it was safe to have children now. It was more like, well, PETA wanted kids, and so I gave Peter.

Julia 14:40

Wasn't that like one of the reasons why she didn't want to be with Gail? Because he wanted a family.

Jessica Mary 14:46

Yes. He openly very like openly like, oh grow up.

Julia 14:50

Yeah, because he was from a really big family.

K. Leigh 14:53

I remember reading that last page and being like, you know, if this wasn't even written, it would have left it so open-ended. And I think that would have been the perfect place to stop. Because I agree.

Julia 15:05

I wish it hadn't been written too.

K. Leigh 15:07

Yeah, like so. I remember I was working at a bank, and one of my co-workers was really into the Hunger Games as well. And she was just like, Let me know when you finish it. And I was like, and she's like, and let me know your thoughts about the last page. Yeah, and I said, Okay. And so, like, I read it and I was just like, I want to rip that page out. And she's like, Me too. So it was very like, I remember that conversation at the time in the Hunger Games fandom was, would you rip that page out? You know, like would is that something you would do to edit the book? And absolutely, I think it's unneeded, it's unnecessary.

Julia 15:44

Yeah, yeah. People do love an epilogue though.

Jessica Mary 15:48

It's weird because I hate prologues, but I do love epilogues because I feel like it it does do that little that little wrap-up and like, okay, like 10 years later, we have done not a lot, but some healing.

Julia 16:02

True.

Jessica Mary 16:02

And and I'm like, okay, like that's good to know. Yeah. Still don't like that she has a kid.

Julia 16:07

I mean, maybe if it had just been written differently, not I gave that gift, like, obviously, we haven't read it in a while, so we will be able to talk about it later on.

Jessica Mary 16:16

But yeah, yeah.

Julia 16:17

Back to Allie though. I really hope she does come back to Instagram because, like, fuck the haters, girlfriends. No, seriously. Like, who cares? I'm sorry that that happens to you. Yeah, and I will sit with you.

K. Leigh 16:33

I actually know, like, I I find it so weird that that happened this year and it just feels like it happened two years ago. Um yeah. But also, I believe Allie Hazelwood was actually at a local bookstore just the other week signing uh and she left some signed books. She was at Kiss and Tail.

Jessica Mary 16:53

Oh, Kiss and Tail.

K. Leigh 16:54

Yeah.

Jessica Mary 16:55

That store's so cute.

K. Leigh 16:56

It is really cute, and they're expanding. I'm so excited. They're expanding my my mobility challenged ass will be able to move through the store. No, they're expanding by opening up this the the door that leads into the this the next side over.

Jessica Mary 17:12

But it's still on like one floor? Yes. Okay, cool.

Julia 17:16

So um so I just checked Allie's um Instagram and I guess she is posting back on Instagram, but it doesn't look like it's personal stuff. It all looks like, you know, very like ad stuff.

Jessica Mary 17:30

Yep. Okay.

Julia 17:31

Not like this is what's actually going on in my life.

Jessica Mary 17:35

I feel like I would do that after getting bullied for being like, I have an opinion on a fictional character, yeah, and the internet came for me.

K. Leigh 17:43

So And it wasn't even that crazy of a take. Like you just pick the other boy in the love triangle.

Jessica Mary 17:50

No, quite frankly, when the books came out, everybody had a had a team. Team Team Gail, Team Pita.

Julia 17:58

Jacob, Edward, like whatever.

Jessica Mary 18:02

So I do want to cover like some of like the obviousness of the series and some of the societal backlash that it had, because when it came out, everyone's like, oh, it's a book teaching kids to kill other kids. No. And yeah, and exactly. Everyone that read it was like, no, it's it's a critique of society and like what we're willing to watch in reality TV, and you know, it's drawn from like classical mythos and things like uh Theseus and the Minotaur, right? Because they Minos uh told Athens that they had to sacrifice seven sons and seven daughters every year to the Minotaur as punishment for past deeds, just like the Capitol tells the rebellious um districts. Jesus Rebellious Rebellion. Yeah, exactly. The rebellious rebellion rebellioners um that they had to sacrifice their children as well. Of course, the gladiator style and nature of the pageantry and the arena, but there were also like other parallels to history, like especially the draft, the reaping itself. Like our drafts were televised, and they like pulled a ball out with a birthdate on it, just like we do for the lottery in like big numbers and like pick six, and and they were just like, Yeah, so December 13th, come on down, like the same way that uh oh, what is the the lottery? No, Stanley Tucci. What was Stanley Tucci's characters? Caesar.

K. Leigh 19:34

Caesar, yeah.

Jessica Mary 19:36

So Stanley Tucci, because he doesn't need a character, he's Stanley Tucci. I you know, when they come down, his whole point is to make them more valuable to the capital. Like, oh, what special skills do you have that people should bet on you? And how do you think you're gonna survive? And let's get comfortable with the idea that you're probably gonna die right off the bat. Like that's that's kinda nuts when you think about it. And she Suzanne Collins had had it's an old interview, and I remember looking it up for when we were doing Sunrise on the Reaping. But she was talking about a lot of the theories and things that she wanted to talk about in her books were things like just war theory. Is it ever really ethical to engage in war for any reason? That she had had this experience where she was watching TV, like just entertainment, and then it switched to footage from the Iraq war and then went back to entertainment. And she was like, like that was it. We were we were just it was just part of what we watched on TV. It was no longer news, it was no longer this thing that we were upset about, it it was content. And it's it's kind of scary to think that a lot of these discussions, because the books came out in what the 2010s, late late aughts, like that that conversation is just as relevant today. And it is just as misunderstood.

K. Leigh 21:12

Because thinking about it is now we have shows also like Squid Games, Squid Game, and then Mr. I don't know if you've heard the controversy with Mr. Beast game, where uh the contestants were like they weren't given their meds, they weren't given like clean clothes to change into, like their luggage had like they couldn't access their luggage, a lot of people were getting dehydrated, a lot of people um were having a lot of medical health issues.

Jessica Mary 21:40

And I mean, we literally had a show called Survivor. Yes. Oh, and Naked and Afraid. Yeah. Yeah. Like there are places where Survivor is life and not a game, and we made it a game.

K. Leigh 21:56

Right, but here's here's also the thing, too, is Hunger Games had had such a huge, huge, huge, huge like spotlight and no one learns. No one learns. What do you mean?

Jessica Mary 22:11

Like what do you mean? Don't you want to participate in the Patriot games, Katie? How dare you?

K. Leigh 22:18

I kinda do, actually. And not for not because I'm like a a mega person or anything, but I've always wanted to be on a game like Big Brother.

Jessica Mary 22:31

So Okay, well, Big Brother and a huge uh athletic competition are drastically different.

Julia 22:39

What did you what did you I guess mean by no one learns? What are you referencing?

K. Leigh 22:43

They're still making competition games and behind the scenes there's still a lot of shit going on. I saw this controversy, of course, like on YouTube because I watch all of that kind of stuff with like drama channels and controversy channels and all that stuff.

Jessica Mary 22:59

It's addictive.

K. Leigh 23:00

It's so good. The information is out there that with the Mr. Beast games, uh there was no like guidelines being followed, you know, so that way like there is health care, like someone had to keep their contacts in for like three days straight and they got like an infection and like stuff like that. And people still watch it. Like, I still know people who are like, Oh, have you ever seen Mr. Beast game? Like, I'm so excited for the next season. I'm like, no, no, because this is a horrible show.

Jessica Mary 23:28

It's starting to remind me, it's like it's giving dance moms, in which we watch child abuse happen every single week, and we still tuned in because we were like, oh my god, the drama from the moms, and the the girls are beautiful dancers, but like kid pageant shows.

Julia 23:43

We we toddlers and tiaras.

Jessica Mary 23:46

You never watched toddlers toddlers and tiaras, where they just scream at a four-year-old and get them all hyped up on sugar and then send them on out, and like it's it's insane.

K. Leigh 23:59

And that is why I never watched them.

Julia 24:01

But it's all about um what do they call it? Like, like when you become desensitized, it's just slowly desensitizing us to more and more human atrocities, and then we become more complicit in all of the terrible things that continue to happen. Like Suzanne Collins talking about like seeing the war. Well, eventually you stop kind of caring. We all became apathetic that it's there because it's always been there.

Jessica Mary 24:28

Just contrast two wars. Like, look at Vietnam versus Iraq. Vietnam happens, and there's a breaking point with society where they begin protesting, and it's pretty early on. They're like, no, we should not be there, we should not be going there, what are we doing? Iraq kind of had that, but the majority of the reaction from Americans was just like, oh, another war. Okay, well, I have school to go to and I have this to do, and even even when 9-11 happened, for like a week the country was like, we are Americans. And then the following Monday, everyone was like, We are Americans, but these people are not. And it just immediately broke down. Like, we we have never we've never gotten over this us versus them mentality, which to bring it back to Hunger Games, goes not only from the districts to the capital, but between the districts themselves. You know, like it's a okay, well, districts one and two have more because they've always had more victors, and so they're careers, and so you know, nobody has a chance against them, and we hate them immediately. District 12 is immediately poor. Like, the us versus them mentality just permeates throughout the thing constantly through every every arena, every game, and even down to uh District 13, where it's people that are actively serving to participate in this war and people who can't, or people who are like, I don't think we should be doing this, and it's just always this disagreement. And of course, that's life, but like politics. That's politics, is right.

K. Leigh 26:10

Because right now, with everything going on, it's it's so divided, right? Yeah, this this country, I wouldn't say has never been more divided. I just think it's there's a huge divide and it's very visible, right? Yeah, and it's just it's politics, and and when people say, Oh, you're a writer or you're an author, like six-year writing, like stop talking about politics. Like, everything is political. Everything. And that's the whole that's another point of the book is the the politics and and the commentary on it and and narrative control and us versus them mentality is very political.

Jessica Mary 26:49

But yeah, like the the narrative control of power is also a big theme here, and one that I'm really excited to talk about, because I could talk about it all day, is audience participation theory. Because you have how the capital reacts to this and how they get involved and they get attached to their tributes, and you also have us, the reader, getting attached to our favorite districts and our favorite tributes, and actively participating in capitalism with the books, which is the most ironic thing about the Hunger Games series, is that then it had product and advertising and movies, and we're like, weren't we just talking about how this is bad?

K. Leigh 27:36

I don't think it's bad.

Jessica Mary 27:39

I think it's really bad. Maybe out of control is a better term.

K. Leigh 27:43

I think it's you know, it's a commentary, so it needs to be out there.

Jessica Mary 27:47

Yeah. Can you make commentary of media in your medium? Yes. No, I'm just thinking about it. If you're like, if you get up on a reality TV show and you're like, reality TV shows blow, fuck everybody here. It's like, why are you there?

K. Leigh 28:03

Because you're saying that reality TV show sucks and for people to stop watching it. And the only way you're gonna get that across to people is if they're watching a reality TV show.

Julia 28:12

Agreed.

K. Leigh 28:14

I mean, if you stay on the show and continue to participate, then then yeah, why are you there? But if you get on and you're like, reality TV sucks, and here's why, and then you leave, I think that's pretty respectable.

Speaker 6 28:29

Yeah.

K. Leigh 28:31

Because I think another book had that. Um it was about a reality dating show, and there was a character in the book that was just like, oh, you know, reality shows, da da da, and it's just like, well, why are you participating?

Jessica Mary 28:46

Yeah. But was it the selection?

K. Leigh 28:49

No, it was one to watch. It was about the uh plus-sized dating reality show.

Jessica Mary 28:56

Uh, because the selection also has that narrative where she's like, I don't want to do this, and she just like makes friends with the prince to stay in the competition because the longer she's in the competition, the more money her family gets. And then she falls in love because it's a romance series.

Julia 29:15

But I always wanted uh, you know, the scarf that Katniss wears at the very thing. I always wanted that. Not to like tour shift, but like I just remember wanting that.

Jessica Mary 29:30

There are so many patterns for that cowl out there, and they like the producers have never put that cowl on the market. And I'm like, that thing looks cozy as hell.

Julia 29:42

Seriously, it looks so cool. I'll wear that while riding my dragon. Oh, I just I even love um how at the end of the first one, Katniss makes that comment about like the if a handful of berries can take down your government, it like mustn't be that hard to take. You know what I'm talking about? I'm not quoting it properly, but yeah, yeah, she's got that little sass. Yeah.

Jessica Mary 30:11

It's like, well, a handful, then maybe it deserves to topple kind of thing.

Julia 30:16

Yeah, yeah. I always thought that was really interesting.

K. Leigh 30:19

But I mean, a handful of berries can take down a lot of people, particularly if they're poisonous. So exactly.

Julia 30:28

Yeah. There was one scene in particular that always like my mind always comes back to. And do you remember? I don't know if it's in the first movie or in the second movie, but it shows President Snow and his granddaughter is wearing the Katniss braid, and then she's standing there like in the hallway or something, and he's giving a speech, and you watch her like undo the braid in that moment when he's calling Katniss like a traitor to the capital or something. That always like stuck out to me as like even these poor children who are looking at like she's in the Capitol, she's not gonna get picked ever. So she's seeing this as like fun, and then you're watching the propaganda machine happen right there in front of you, and how she's like, I hope my grandfather doesn't see this catness braid. Like, oh, that always broke my heart watching that one part.

Jessica Mary 31:38

That one's hard. Watching Cinna get his ass beat to death was hard.

Julia 31:45

Oh yeah, in the tube. Mm-hmm. Oh, I hated that.

Jessica Mary 31:50

Just before she goes up, they're like, enjoy this, that was freaking wild.

K. Leigh 31:54

Yeah. I forgot about Cinna. I forgot about that too.

Jessica Mary 31:59

I didn't because I didn't, obviously. Ha ha ha ha. No. So when I went to see the first movie, I saw it alone. I no, I saw it with Rob's wife. That's what made me read the books, is because I saw the movie first. And I kept leaning over to Amanda and I was like, what the fuck does that mean? What is happening? Because so much of the book is Katniss's internal monologue and she explains things to us and the movie doesn't. Which is something I'm excited to talk about in that like trans media discussion of book to film and film to book and vice versa and things. But I saw that with Amanda, and then the next one I went by myself and I held hands with strangers because everybody knew Cinna's scene was coming up. She's getting ready, she's going in the tunnel, and like the entire theater is just that ominous quiet.

Julia 32:51

And then Katie's husband started laughing.

Jessica Mary 32:53

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

K. Leigh 32:56

He probably did.

Jessica Mary 33:01

But just that that feeling, that collective anticipation that we all had, where like we know a bad thing is coming and and we're all here together for each other, and then COVID happened, and now you won't ha hold a stranger's hand. I exactly. I mean, to be fair, now I don't talk to strangers, so Yeah. With the exception of authors. If you count the author interviews as talking to strangers, then I talk to a lot of strangers. But on my day-to-day, I do not talk to strangers. I think fandom is going to have to be part of the discussion of this, and not just because of like what I mentioned earlier, where like we were all basically the capital participating in in the capitalism of choosing our favorite tributes and victors and wearing all of our hunger game stuff. But it did something. I mean, it still does something. We mentioned Allie Hazelwood that literally got bullied offline because she chose the wrong team, quote unquote. Like the feelings that the solicitors gonna be fun to look at and see like what really made that happen.

K. Leigh 34:11

When I was like a lot younger, I probably wouldn't have been a part of that crowd, but I would have had the thought, like, damn, she's wrong, like, she's so stupid, and like, how can you pick, you know, blah blah blah blah blah. Not with Hunger Games, but if she had an opinion on another book or something like that. Because I don't uh again, I've always been team solo catness. But as I grew up, I now like I'm so thankful that I've changed, and I'm like, books are subjective, and we all have opinions, and it's okay to have those opinions.

Jessica Mary 34:44

And it's okay if your opinions are wrong.

K. Leigh 34:47

Yeah, as long as we can have that discussion, yeah, yeah.

Jessica Mary 34:52

The discussion's the fun part though.

K. Leigh 34:54

Yeah, and as long as you know I'm going to tell you you're wrong, but I still like you, and you're still entitled to be wrong, we're cool. Alright. And I know you're gonna think I'm wrong, you're wrong, but you can think that.

Julia 35:07

What is your guys' like absolutely favorite moment, like small moment from the Hunger Games? What's the one thing that's like, that's my favorite thing?

Jessica Mary 35:16

Katniss finding the cat after District 12 gets bombed. And then taking it back to District 13, and then she's like, no, I still hate you. Yeah. I just I love it because that cat is such a fucking cat. He's like, oh good, you rescued me. Get the fuck away from me.

unknown 35:35

Yeah.

Jessica Mary 35:35

She's like, I got you. Yeah, I got you.

Julia 35:39

Fuck you, fuck you. Fucking cat.

Jessica Mary 35:42

The the only other one that like has always stuck out in my mind is uh it's in the second book when Pita and Katniss go to like the Victor Party, like like the pre-hunger games thing. Um and the people in the Capitol are drinking the wine that specifically makes you throw up so that they can eat more. You loved that? I did not love that. It is true. I'm trying to find moments of joy here because we're talking about like No, but like, but that one had always that's always stuck out to me. As I feel like that is a very quintessential scene to have to like really show off the Capitol. Other than that, it's definitely that cat, because she hates the cat through all the books, and the cat hates her, and it's hilarious to me.

Julia 36:33

What do you think, Katie, if it's yours?

K. Leigh 36:35

I don't know. Honestly, like it's been so long, I don't remember a lot of the series. Like, I know what it's about, and and little things, but nothing that I think the and this is not very joyful, but the part that stood out for me was the engineering of the dogs.

Jessica Mary 36:54

Like oh, the mutts, the mutations.

Julia 36:57

Yeah, forgot about those.

Jessica Mary 36:59

That's in the books, they've got their faces.

Julia 37:01

Oh my god, they're being on the cornucopia.

K. Leigh 37:04

Yes, and their dogs are trying to Yeah, they have the same eyes as as the tributes that have been killed. Um, that has always stood out to me. Like, I'm very forgetful. Um so if it stands out for me, then then then yeah. And then the dress catching fire as she turns. I think that was just so cool, like theatrically.

Jessica Mary 37:27

Well, the the dress in the first book or the dress in the second one that turns into the mocking J gown?

K. Leigh 37:33

The one that, like, f like I don't know, both of them. Yeah.

Julia 37:37

Yeah, because they both light on fire, don't they?

Jessica Mary 37:39

That's like that's her shtick that Cinna gives her. Just girl on fire.

Julia 37:46

My favorite will just always be Joanna and getting naked in the elevator. Like, I will just always love that part because it's just the most like she's just so shameless. Is that the right use of the word? Yeah, yeah. She's so just like, I don't give a fuck anymore. Like, you can't do anything to me. And just when she winks at PETA, I'm like, or no, uh, she winks at behave it. She means like Yeah.

Jessica Mary 38:14

I love what's her face's face during all of that. Uh oh. Yeah. She's just like biting her lip and like looking away, like her whole face contorts.

K. Leigh 38:25

Careful catness here, Jennifer Lawrence is showing up. Another thing that sticks out. I'm sorry. Another thing that sticks out for me is the p to camouflage and the movies. It's dumb. Like, and I know that's another part that my husband laughed at because he thought it was just so dumb. Like, I sort of thought it was so dumb. Like, just it is dumb.

Julia 38:53

It is so fucking dumb.

Jessica Mary 38:55

I decorate cakes, so obviously my camouflage is on point.

K. Leigh 39:00

Like, what the hell? And just the the theatrical um the movie adaptation of it where like he just opens his eyes, like the CGI, and he's just like, what the hell?

Julia 39:15

Oh yeah. So stupid.

Producer Rob 39:18

The big thing that I came away with was the very end of the first book, where it ends with Katniss realizing, oh shit, there are going to be consequences.

Jessica Mary 39:27

Yes. When Ham when Hamich absolutely says that to her, because she's like, oh, finally the games are done, and he's like, they're never done.

unknown 39:35

Yeah.

Jessica Mary 39:36

Now you're just in a new game.

Producer Rob 39:38

Which, especially, you know, back in 2008 when this started, that was not a thing that they talked about, was consequences.

Jessica Mary 39:44

And particularly in like kid lit. So I read this article. This article was specifically about Harry Potter and why this parent didn't like it, and it was because there was never actual consequences for the actions that these kids took. So, like, even when they got detention, they ended up getting rewarded with information. And that, like, then I went and did, you know, my master's in children's lit, and that actually happens still in a lot of things, that there's no actual, well, you can't do that anymore. There's no the government is coming for you. There, I mean, like, it does, but eventually it resolves. But the immediate consequence of saying I love you to someone that you don't love doesn't come up, or uh using too much magic. Okay, I'm burnt out for like a day, but then I get my powers back. It's all okay. And that's kind of always happened in children's fiction. And Hunger Games is still technically children's fiction because it's young adult. So that is that is also fun to then get to see the consequences there is not only from President Snow, but like also from Pita and Gail. Because Pita's like, oh, you love me, and she's gotta be like, sure. And Gail is upset because he wasn't chosen. And she's like, you and I had plans, and that all gets disrupted, and she's gotta deal with social consequences, which for Katniss. Social. Does anybody have anything else to add? Because I think we've got like a solid hour of content at this point.

Producer Rob 41:21

I do have the the rest of the uh the tributes that you guys missed.

Jessica Mary 41:27

I was I was thinking we should try to name them because there was a clip from Dan and I talk doing our Sunrise on the Reaping read where I read they have the full list of the 24 tributes in Hamish's games, and I read through all of them because it's a lot.

Producer Rob 41:42

It's not 24, it's 48.

Jessica Mary 41:43

Oh yes, 48. Thank you. All 48 of them. And Dan's like, somewhere in there, she said the name of a Pokemon. Did you catch it? It is, it's just lengthy, and it's just in like the middle of the book. The names go from like Ryan to like Beelzebub. Like they're they're ridiculous names that are in there.

Julia 42:06

I always thought it was so funny the like how they named people after different things in their district. Like the glimmer and the ocean names for district three or whatever. I was like, okay, I live in Alberta. There's a lot of oil here. Like, there's no one here like petrol that names their kid that.

Jessica Mary 42:32

Yeah.

Julia 42:33

Like, seriously, like this is, you know, garbage. Don't you have like the biggest garbage pile in the world? Isn't that New Jersey?

Jessica Mary 42:41

Uh no, New Jersey just is the biggest garbage pile in the world. I'm sorry to every New Jersey and listening.

K. Leigh 42:46

We're the armpit of the country.

Jessica Mary 42:48

We are the armpit of the country.

Julia 42:51

There's no kid named Armpit.

Jessica Mary 42:52

Like it's just there's no kid named Armpit yet. Uh let's talk quarter quells. Because there's a lot of like fan theories around them that they, you know, they're not random. They couldn't possibly be random just because of the way that they're not.

Julia 43:06

What do you mean they're not random? Well, they uh can be random. They're every 25 years.

Jessica Mary 43:10

No, I mean the topic and like the theme of them. So having more tributes or doing like the voting in the first quarter quell, or that they come from the reaping of the tributes. The thing is that like I think the story behind it was that they sealed all of these different decisions, and there's like a bunch of them with hundreds because they expected to be doing this for very many years. And they would just take the box. So like they assume by the 75th games that every district has enough victors to have a pool of victors or or something like that. I don't think that that could be ever truly random.

Julia 43:51

Oh, I understand what you're saying now. Like the things that they chose to do in the quarter quells, were they random or were they planned?

Jessica Mary 43:58

Yes.

Julia 44:00

So do you think that there was something planned for the hundredth? Is what you're saying.

Jessica Mary 44:05

Yeah, I feel like there would have been something planned for the hundred.

Julia 44:08

I like Like the people that originally laid it out were like, This is what you're doing at 25. This is what you're doing at 50. Interesting. And it wasn't like, hey, you're just gonna do something fun every 25 years, or is that just like a human nature thing? Like, cause we do that, like every 25 years, all of a sudden, for some reason, that number is like so special. So do you think that was pre-planned, or do you think that on like the 25th anniversary they were like, oh my gosh, it's 25 years, let's celebrate. Oh my gosh, it's 50 years, 75 years, that sort of thing.

Jessica Mary 44:45

I think the first quarter quell came up, like it was like the first 25th, and they were like, Yeah, wow, we should celebrate because we do stuff every 25 years. Like, that's very American to be like every 25 years and every 100 years to do something. And then that idea came up. Like, I don't think did you read Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes? Oh, wonderful! Okay, so I can't go any further with this particular conversation.

Julia 45:13

Katie and I would both be lost.

Jessica Mary 45:17

Okay, so based on information in that book, I don't think that it was planned out to do something every 25 years. Got it at the beginning. And I also don't see how they could have like the random idea to do it. Because like, alright, so the first quarter quell was that they had to vote on who to send it. It's the reminder that their children were dying because of their choice to rebel. And then the 50th, which is Heimit's games, was when they had twice as many tributes, so they had 48 tributes. And then the 74th was oh, to prove that even the strongest among us are not like cannot stand against the the will of the capital, it's going to be reaped from the existing pool of victors. But like District 12 up until that point only had Hamage. And because the Hunger Games are purely about spectacle, I don't think that they would have done that, being like, well, we can only get one from District 12.

Julia 46:16

Yeah, do you think it like they like President Snow? I don't I always thought that he made that up to kill off Katniss and Pita.

Jessica Mary 46:28

That's what I've always figured, and also think it's like a dumb idea on his part. Because at the point that he does that, the rebellious thought and the urge to rebel against the capital is already in motion.

Julia 46:49

Short-term thinking, and we're not like long-term thinking anymore. He's like, I have to get rid of this problem right now. But she's already this like symbol, which is why the game maker, I can't remember his name, that like pretends to be honest, he's like the double agent. Um I think he like really pushes him, he like pushes him to do his stupid, yeah, his stupid to do it, to make that bad decision.

Jessica Mary 47:18

Yeah, because it was ultimately if she dies, or even if PETA died, or if they had to kill one or the other together, that would have just made them martyrs and would have accelerated it.

Julia 47:32

What do you think the hundredth one would be? Or would have if you could dream it up. The Patriot Games.

Jessica Mary 47:40

Patriot Games. It's all athletic. Oh yeah, no, it's it's everyone's but it's like one of those obstacle course shows.

Julia 47:48

Oh, like the old like Japanese ones.

Jessica Mary 47:50

Yeah, like American Ninja Warrior and stuff, and what's that other one? Wipeout, that's it. It's just like surprise!

K. Leigh 47:59

American Gladiator.

Jessica Mary 48:01

American Gladiator to the death. Oh god, could you imagine though, like the American Gladiator uniform in the arena?

K. Leigh 48:08

Oh no.

Jessica Mary 48:09

Because now I can't get that out of my head, and it's in their like 90s attire in these vengeful gods. This is your fault.

K. Leigh 48:19

It's not. Julia, what is your idea of the Huntress?

Julia 48:23

Sorry, I was stuck on this American gladiator thing. Um, I always thought it would be interesting to do like a guys versus girls, so they do all the girls in one area, all the guys in one area, and then the last two come out at the end. I always thought that would be kind of interesting. But I don't know that clock in the second one. Like, how do you come up with something crazier than that?

Jessica Mary 48:52

You think like that? Yeah. There's like a bunch of subreddits where people design their own arenas.

Julia 49:00

No. I'm like, look at this fun exercise. Right?

Jessica Mary 49:06

It's like actually, I think as a writer, I think it's a fun exercise. As a person, I think it's concerning. As a as a person who creates, I think that is fun to be like what happens in this world, and you know, us ultimately creating fan fiction within that, and like I think every writer has um either a fan fiction they love to read or a fanfiction that they wrote that they hope never sees the light of day. But I also think that exploration of your favorite fictional content is important for brain development in trying to like figure out what fits into this world and what can be defined in the terms of this world.

Julia 49:58

Did Susan Collins ever do a like Hunger Games like history? Why is that ringing a bell in my mind? So like you could go back and see which what happened in every single games? Am I just making that up right now?

Jessica Mary 50:19

No, and that's a that's an issue that I do have. So I wrote down notes. So obviously, Pan Am is North America, and we have it, it's supposed to be set centuries in the future, regardless of how timely it feels now and for the last like 20 years. And it actually covers Mexico and Canada as well. Although the bulk of Canada is called the World.

Julia 50:42

Well, yeah, and you can't live up there anyway. No one lives up there now.

Jessica Mary 50:46

You can't live so yeah. It is very cold. And it's uh it's always said that it's as a punishment for the rebellion, and the re capital specifically refers to the days of the rebellion as the dark days, but there is no information about what led to that initial rebellion.

Speaker 6 51:04

Oh.

Jessica Mary 51:05

And we're only left with like, oh, well, obviously it's because you treated them the way that you're treating them now, we just didn't sacrifice children every year. But there aren't specifics prior to that. Like, even in Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, um, which not spoilery because it's like the first scene, you see him, the capital is getting bombed, and Snow is trying to find shelter. You don't get more information there. It's not like, oh, they're rebelling against us because of whatever capital reason is there. Like, it's just they are rebelling against us, just this straight fact. And there's no information about how Pan M became.

Julia 51:45

That's an interesting like um conversation on history, though. Like, history is written by the victors, and so why would they want us to study how they overthrew the last government sort of thing?

Jessica Mary 51:59

Interesting. Which is also funny given the statement that it's written by the victors, because the victors of the Hunger Games wind up complicit in the Capitol story.

Julia 52:10

Complicit? No, they're also victims.

Jessica Mary 52:14

I mean, they are, absolutely, but they don't come out.

Julia 52:20

But can they?

Jessica Mary 52:21

Even Joanna, who is who is that's a good that is a good point, can they?

Julia 52:25

So I don't I would not consider them complicit. I don't think they have a choice.

Jessica Mary 52:30

I would consider the careers complicit?

Julia 52:34

Their career and prostitution that they didn't choose.

Jessica Mary 52:38

No. No. The careers from the districts that like very obviously know that winning is like.

Julia 52:49

But do they know? Do they really know that that's what happens when they are kids win and they get there?

Jessica Mary 52:56

I think they do in the in the richer districts.

K. Leigh 53:00

I mean, someone has to have come back and said something to someone. Yeah. Maybe. But that's that's another issue, is in this world it's the same as as ours. We're like, do we really listen to victims? Do we really believe victims? Do we really do anything about victims?

Julia 53:18

That's true. Like, oh boohoo, I'm so sorry for you.

K. Leigh 53:21

You won. You won, you got to live in the Capitol. Yeah. You just had to whore yourself out.

Jessica Mary 53:27

Doesn't Gel give Katniss that exact speech? What are you whining about? You have money now. Probably. And like you get to live in Victor's village in the nice t in the nice house and shit, and like holds it against her.

K. Leigh 53:37

I don't know. I would probably have to reread the book.

Jessica Mary 53:40

Oh my god, thank God we're doing that real quick.

Speaker 6 53:44

Yeah.

Jessica Mary 53:46

But yeah, no, that's that's an excellent point.

K. Leigh 53:50

Yeah. I think this is also something that I'd be interested in discussing, like, during our re our read through. We can always circle back to this because I think this is an interesting topic to talk about. Because now that we're older from when the books were released and have lived through some shit, um, I'm sure we have a a lot of different viewpoints and theories and shit to discuss.

Jessica Mary 54:21

What would be a better word? Because I'm thinking now, complicit is not the right word.

K. Leigh 54:27

Clearly.

Jessica Mary 54:30

Compelled, maybe? Like but but there is a certain level of they then play into the game.

Julia 54:39

But is it like that status quo? That's what everyone's doing, so that's what I feel like I have to do. And even if like they're not strong enough to step out because they don't know stepping out is a possibility because no one's done it. Yeah. So I can't be the first one to do it. It'll be like the first gay athlete. Like that, I feel bad for that person already. Like, no one wants to be the first one.

Jessica Mary 55:09

So what word would I mean there? I don't know. To the internet. Word for unwilling common.

K. Leigh 55:20

I mean you do have a point because just like cajoled Nazi Nazi Germany. There was a lot of people in in Hitler's army that didn't agree with it, but they went along with it anyway, because otherwise they'd be punished or killed or whatever. And so they were pro they were they were prosecuted just like the Nazis who were very happily doing things because they didn't step out, they didn't speak against it, they just went along with it.

Julia 55:46

But that was to save helpless. That was to save their own lives, though, too. Like, I don't even like it's scary to stand up. I don't I don't know.

Jessica Mary 55:58

Like we all want to say we would, but if it's us we want to say, but we want to say, but my list of things that I am very much looking to to talking about are just war theory, audience participation, societal breaking points, the acknowledgement of willful ignorance and privilege, ethics, and the last thing on this other thing, uh, my old, if any, Kindle highlights. Because I originally read it on my Kindle, but I wasn't like a big highlighter, so anything that I would have highlighted there would have stood out to me like a really big thing. So I'm interested to see what is it, almost 20-year-old notes.

Julia 56:39

That's so fun.

Jessica Mary 56:40

18-year-old notes. 17.

unknown 56:43

Oh.

Jessica Mary 56:44

My notes can almost vote.

Julia 56:48

What are you excited for, Katie?

K. Leigh 56:51

Uh, finishing the movie series, because I only saw Mocking J Part 1, and that's where I ended.

Julia 57:01

That's amazing. This is so fun. Um, I'm excited to try to bring some levity into this and not just bring it back to the current political structure all the time. Because it's gonna be really hard to not do that. It's gonna be really hard to not constantly find ourselves in these political conversations, but hopefully there's particularly with this theories. We got some jokes.

K. Leigh 57:30

I will also like to say that I'm excited to see a Canadian's point of view.

Julia 57:36

Well, I am very active in the American political um discussions news discussions. So, but I can definitely bring some Canadian political insight into it. Because we have a little bit of a different system than you guys, so yeah, yours doesn't seem quite as psychotic. No, thankfully. Yeah. But we have healthcare? We voted for the right person, though. We almost voted for a psycho, so I saw that. Not great.

Jessica Mary 58:13

I was like, Canada news.

Julia 58:15

He's fun. So the greatest thing ever was uh yeah, getting a boring, a boring guy. He's he's nice too, and like nerdy. He's our nerdy dad. He's our nerdy dad. It's great.

Jessica Mary 58:32

I don't think I have ever referred to any leader of any country as a father figure or as a daddy.

Julia 58:41

No, he's not a daddy. He is not a daddy, he is our nerdy dad.

Jessica Mary 58:47

Okay.

Julia 58:48

If you watch, I send you guys a video of him dancing at his like little victory party, and he it's the fucking funniest shit you've ever seen in your whole life. He's like, I don't know, it's great. It's just old old white man dancing, and you're like that's right.

Jessica Mary 59:02

Dance, dance on the audio, audio media.

Julia 59:05

You're doing a so you're doing so good. Go fix the economy. Thank you. Who's your go use your little economics degree? Proud of you.

Jessica Mary 59:16

Yeah, you run that country.

Julia 59:18

Yeah. Quietly. Shh. Don't bring attention to us. Shh.

Jessica Mary 59:25

How very Canadian. Don't bring attention to us.

Julia 59:28

That's how it should be. It should be boring.

Jessica Mary 59:32

Yes. No, I I agree.

Julia 59:35

Politics should be boring. You shouldn't want to watch it. You shouldn't.

Jessica Mary 59:40

You shouldn't have to choose between wanting to stay informed and wanting to stay mentally healthy. Yeah. Which is like a choice that Americans have right now. I could see what he's doing, and I open up my phone. Patriot games.

Julia 59:57

Hmm. Go team. Go team. And with that.

Producer Rob 1:00:01

And with that. You guys did manage to catch Cashmere, BD Wirus, Finnic Mags, The Morphlings, Joanna, Chaff, PETA, and Katniss. You must Chaff from District 1. Yes.

Jessica Mary 1:00:16

Oh, the one that I thought was Chaff.

Producer Rob 1:00:18

Gloss was the bougie one that you guys couldn't remember. But they did remember it. Didn't I remember? No, she got it. She got it. Did you get gloss? Okay. Okay. Yeah. Not bad. Gloss and cashmere. I eventually remembered it. Um District 2 had Brutus and Enobaria.

Julia 1:00:32

Oh, Brutus, yeah.

Producer Rob 1:00:33

Enobaria. We also had Blight from District 7. Blight. Wolf and Cecilia from District 8. Wolf or Wolf? Wolf. W-O-O-F. Wolf Woolf.

unknown 1:00:47

Wolf.

Producer Rob 1:00:50

That is what that is what the wiki is telling me.

Julia 1:00:52

That's what the girls say when he walks by.

Producer Rob 1:00:54

Districts 9 and 10 did not get named.

Julia 1:00:56

This is my dog.

Jessica Mary 1:00:58

Yeah, I have no memory of somebody named Wolf. I feel like I would have latched onto that real f.

K. Leigh 1:01:02

Especially with the mutations.

Julia 1:01:06

That's from uh the second one, though.

Jessica Mary 1:01:10

Oh, Wolf is from the second one.

Julia 1:01:13

Because with no dogs in that one. No, there is dogs in that one.

Jessica Mary 1:01:17

No dogs. No, no, there are mutations because there's the the chimpanzees and the birds that like scream like they're family members.

Julia 1:01:25

Anyways, what were you saying, Rob?

Producer Rob 1:01:27

The quote that the wiki uses before his name comes up goes, After lunch, I do the edible insect station with the District 8 tributes. Woof, a really old guy who's hard of hearing, and doesn't seem to know what's going on since he keeps trying to stuff poisonous bugs in his mouth. I think he knows what's going on. And apparently that's the only time he's discussed. Yeah, I think he knows what's going on. It's right.

K. Leigh 1:01:49

I too would try to stuff.

Julia 1:01:51

Oh my gosh, the one other part that lives rent-free in my head is when she does that when she hangs that guy in the Oh, the Seneca Crane model? In yeah, in the thing. She like hangs him up. And it's she writes President Snow in like red paint across it.

Jessica Mary 1:02:10

And she No, she writes Seneca Crane, right? Because she like draws his beard. The weird beard that he had. Well, we'll find out when we go back reading. But there's also the similar scene when she's getting evaluated on the case. No, that's what I'm talking about. Sorry, that's what I'm talking about.

Julia 1:02:28

When she's getting evaluated and she writes President Snow on that thing. Doesn't she?

Jessica Mary 1:02:34

Is it I think it might be a little bit more than a little bit?

K. Leigh 1:02:35

Which is the guy from American Beauty writes on him. But we the one who films the plastic bag. Yes. Yeah, that one.

Jessica Mary 1:02:46

Oh. You know what else I'm excited to see? One, Julia find her niche and thing to pull it to. And how Katie is going to find a Titanic reaction.

K. Leigh 1:03:00

Oh, I will. I've already been planning. I'm just gonna root for everything down.

Jessica Mary 1:03:05

You've been planning. Wonderful.

Producer Rob 1:03:06

Just as long as you don't add everything to American Gladiators. You gotta keep the pretty stuff next time.

Jessica Mary 1:03:11

Oh no, that's that's mine this season. American Gladiator? That's me. That's that's mine this season. In fact, I'm gonna go do research for it right now and just pull up old videos on YouTube.

K. Leigh 1:03:20

Yeah, I'm gonna go do research too and make my husband sit through the three-hour movies for Titanic.

Julia 1:03:25

So my face hurts from smiling.

K. Leigh 1:03:30

Yeah, we all smile here.

Outro 1:03:32

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